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    Question What the @$@%$@ am I doing?

    I am turning down this year’s SANS training for an MCSE boot camp. I just wanted a technical cert because it’s been a minute since I’ve had one. Am I crazy?
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    I just wanted a technical cert<-------= I don't understand this statement. SANS is also technical which you are aware of since you have GPEN. Maybe you should change I drink and I know things to I drink and I forget things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E Double U View Post
    I just wanted a technical cert<-------= I don't understand this statement. SANS is also technical which you are aware of since you have GPEN. Maybe you should change I drink and I know things to I drink and I forget things.
    Ha! Maybe...

    I suppose when I look at all these job postings for DOD that require a computing environment cert, I feel a little under qualified.
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    MCSE can be done with self-study ... SANS no
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLavoie View Post
    MCSE can be done with self-study ... SANS no

    Actually you are 100% wrong. Any GIAC certification can be obtained through self study. For years this site has given the blueprint for how to do such for a few certifications.

    Nothing SANS is teaching is a trade secret. It's not like they are holding on to the formula of how to make Pepsi to keep it from the competitors at Coca-Cola.

    How can you self study SANS training? I am slightly confused. How can you self study training. That really didn't make any sense.

    I know people use SANS and GIAC interchangeably. You can self study for the materials that cover the GIAC exam/exam outline, yes. Self Study for an On Demand or self study for a classroom environment with a teacher standing in front of you, no. Anything SANS offers towards training for a certification can be obtained through self study.
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    I did a combo MCSA\MCSE bootcamp for 15 days straight. I didn't really get much out of it and employers really don't care that I have the cert.

    Should have done the SANS training since you will probably get more value from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ITSec14 View Post
    I did a combo MCSA\MCSE bootcamp for 15 days straight. I didn't really get much out of it and employers really don't care that I have the cert.

    Should have done the SANS training since you will probably get more value from it.
    Do you mind sharing who you took it with?

    I loved the last SANS training I took, but I don't know what the next one would be.

    I think I'm at a crossroads. If I stay at my current company I'll probably be manager of my department in the next couple of years. If I switch and chase the $, then I want a Network/Security Architect type job. I know my company will pay for the MCSE, then I'll likely pursue CCNP-Security and CCDP through self study in the fall and spring. Then I'll either do ISSAP, TOGAF or SABSA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johndoee View Post
    Actually you are 100% wrong. Any GIAC certification can be obtained through self study. For years this site has given the blueprint for how to do such for a few certifications.
    I agree with you that I am 100% wrong What I meant, is that the study material for MCSE is widely available and cheap while SANS material is not and expensive (even if I could substitute for other book). Hey, the self study kit for a SANS course is as expensive as a live course (6210$ USD).

    I understand that I should separate SANS training from the certification process too. However SANS training has a premium feel, IMHO.

    If my boss would pay me for either a SANS training another bootcamp, I would take the SANS without hesitation.
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    I like the idea of going for a MCSE. SANS courses can get pretty specific and if there isn't a course that jumps out at you I think a MCSE would be a great addition since its knowledge can be applied to most areas of security one way or another. To protect something as best as possible you should have a good idea of all inner workings.

    I really want to go for an MCSE myself too. Just planning on knocking out the CISSP first. Really depends on what you do and what knowledge will benefit you the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkNewb View Post
    I like the idea of going for a MCSE. SANS courses can get pretty specific and if there isn't a course that jumps out at you I think a MCSE would be a great addition since its knowledge can be applied to most areas of security one way or another. To protect something as best as possible you should have a good idea of all inner workings.

    I really want to go for an MCSE myself too. Just planning on knocking out the CISSP first. Really depends on what you do and what knowledge will benefit you the most.
    I have to wait to see if I'm going to go in May or July at this point. I deal with guys who have OS level/AD/Service security issues every day. Knowing more about the inner workings of Windows will help me tremendously. The last MCSE training I went to was for NT4.0...
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